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'''A name for a peer production-based society ?'''
 
'''A name for a peer production-based society ?'''
   
This article and compilation by Raoul Victor reflects an on going discussion on the Oekonux mailing list concerning the proper name for a society centered around peer production. Amongst the alternatives discussed are 'graticism' and 'commonism'.
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This article and compilation by [[Raoul Victor]] reflects an on going discussion on the Oekonux mailing list concerning the proper name for a society centered around peer production. Amongst the alternatives discussed are 'graticism' and 'commonism'.
 
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==Text 1==
   
 
Christian Siefkes wrote (13aug09):
 
Christian Siefkes wrote (13aug09):
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There are three interesting questions raised by these interventions:  
 
There are three interesting questions raised by these interventions:  
 
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# The meaning of the words "socialism" and "communism" (both words had a similar evolution).
1 The meaning of the words "socialism" and "communism" (both words had a similar evolution).
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# The pertinence to call socialist or communist a society fully based on peer production principles.
 
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# The need and possibility to find a new word to name such a society.
2 The pertinence to call socialist or communist a society fully based on peer production principles.
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3 The need and possibility to find a new word to name such a society.
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A few words about these issues.
 
A few words about these issues.
   
==1. The meaning of the words "socialism" and "communism"==
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===1. The meaning of the words "socialism" and "communism"===
   
 
A whole book could be written (and that has probably been done) about the evolution of the meaning of these words. In short one can say that they appeared as expressions of a dream of a post-capitalist society and ended as synonymous of totalitarian forms of capitalism, state capitalism.
 
A whole book could be written (and that has probably been done) about the evolution of the meaning of these words. In short one can say that they appeared as expressions of a dream of a post-capitalist society and ended as synonymous of totalitarian forms of capitalism, state capitalism.
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In any case,  it is obvious that nowadays using the words socialism or communism without specifying the meaning given to them is source of important confusions.
 
In any case,  it is obvious that nowadays using the words socialism or communism without specifying the meaning given to them is source of important confusions.
   
 
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===2. The pertinence to call socialist or communist a society fully based on peer production principles.===
==2. The pertinence to call socialist or communist a society fully based on peer production principles.==
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Kevin Kelly's article reads:
 
Kevin Kelly's article reads:
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I understand Kelly's concern as I think it is useful to understand how peer production is the beginning of the concretization of an old dream of exploited and poor classes in history, as were the socialist/communist ideas. Even if for the moment peer production concerns essentially the specific area of digital goods, such a recognition can only be a stimulant to strive for its expansion to the rest of social production. Maybe, one day in the future, the meaning of socialism and communism will be again, in most of the world population's mind, the original one. But that would not be for tomorrow. In the meantime, at a "popular" level, when there is not enough time or place to explain, the use of this words, without precisions, is inevitably confusing.
 
I understand Kelly's concern as I think it is useful to understand how peer production is the beginning of the concretization of an old dream of exploited and poor classes in history, as were the socialist/communist ideas. Even if for the moment peer production concerns essentially the specific area of digital goods, such a recognition can only be a stimulant to strive for its expansion to the rest of social production. Maybe, one day in the future, the meaning of socialism and communism will be again, in most of the world population's mind, the original one. But that would not be for tomorrow. In the meantime, at a "popular" level, when there is not enough time or place to explain, the use of this words, without precisions, is inevitably confusing.
   
 
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===3. The need and possibility to find a new word to name a peer production "system".===
==3. The need and possibility to find a new word to name a peer production "system".==
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If socialism and communism are problematical, is it necessary to find a new "ism" to name the system which would prevail in a society based on peer production principles?
 
If socialism and communism are problematical, is it necessary to find a new "ism" to name the system which would prevail in a society based on peer production principles?
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One may say that it is a waste of time to try to find a word to name something that can only be the product of the action of billions of people all over the world, that the movement itself will find the most appropriated terms. Which is true. But the problem is that we are also part of that movement.
 
One may say that it is a waste of time to try to find a word to name something that can only be the product of the action of billions of people all over the world, that the movement itself will find the most appropriated terms. Which is true. But the problem is that we are also part of that movement.
   
Raoul Victor
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[[Raoul Victor]]
   
 
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==Text 2==
=Text 2=
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Hi Mathieu, Stefan Mn, Robin, Nathan and all
 
Hi Mathieu, Stefan Mn, Robin, Nathan and all
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"We can at least try  [to find a word] and may be we can reach some sort of agreement. I think the goal would be to find a term
 
"We can at least try  [to find a word] and may be we can reach some sort of agreement. I think the goal would be to find a term
 
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# which sounds well
1. which sounds well
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# IS NOT TOO WRONG / MISUNDERSTANDABLE
 
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# IS NOT BURDENED WITH HISTORICAL MEANING."
2. IS NOT TOO WRONG / MISUNDERSTANDABLE
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3. IS NOT BURDENED WITH HISTORICAL MEANING."
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I AGREE WITH THESE CONDITIONS, RELATIVISING THE FIRST ONE AS I ALREADY DID. I WOULD ADD A 4THONE: THE CAPACITY TO BE TRANSLATED EASILY IN OTHER LANGUAGES.  
 
I AGREE WITH THESE CONDITIONS, RELATIVISING THE FIRST ONE AS I ALREADY DID. I WOULD ADD A 4THONE: THE CAPACITY TO BE TRANSLATED EASILY IN OTHER LANGUAGES.  
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RAOUL VICTOR
 
RAOUL VICTOR
   
 
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==Text 3==
=Text 3=
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Hi Stefan and all,
 
Hi Stefan and all,
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Raoul
 
Raoul
   
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==More Information==
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